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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 31/01/2008 08:54:21 Remind me how removing shield explosive resists is helping Amarr?
Originally by: Zulupark This may seem drastic, but we've given it a lot of thought.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark This change boosts EM damage, no matter what faction is using it. Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles etc.
Um... Are you an idiot?
Last I checked Gallente ships get bonuses to all drones... certainly not just EM drone damage...
And Caldari bonuses go towards Kinetic missile damage.
Please play the game before making any more changes.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: CCP Zulupark This change boosts EM damage, no matter what faction is using it. Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles etc.
epic.....
...f**l! I mean last time I checked gallente gets dmg bonus to all drones.
Already covered this...
Caldari also get bonuses to Kinetic missiles, not EM.
See my post a few above yours. _______________________________
Proof that Zulupark does in fact play EVE:
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kaalise You do realise that a boost to all damage types necessitates a boost to EM damage?
Yeah, it does if you want to be technical about it...
However, he was being specific... and no Gallente ship that I've seen gets a singular bonus to EM drones.
Caldari still doesn't get bonus to EM missiles... unless you count one single ship... the Kestrel, who gets 5% to Thermal, Explosive, and EM, and 10% to Kinetic.
I know when flying a Kestrel my first thought is "damn I wish I did more damage with these EM missiles." _______________________________
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark At least a few Caldari ships get a ROF bonus, that is in fact a damage bonus and it applies to all types of missiles. Do you dispute that Gallente get a damage bonus to EM drones when they get a bonus to all drones?
I think you're just trying to misunderstand my answer here.
Yes... RoF bonuses add the same to EM that they will to every other type. I don't see how this is considered the "EM Caldari bonus" you were talking about. These changes aren't going to make using EM missiles any more viable or used more in PvP against armor tankers than they are now though, so I don't see what point you're trying to make. Just admit your bork up.
With the damage multipliers you're still not going to see EM drones used over Thermal or Explosive in PvP.
But this is supposed to be about Amarr anyway... so why are you now trying to spin it to make it sound like it's going to be great for everyone?
Minmatar will be a nice boost from it, sure. As far as drone and missile boats though you're going to see no change in the ammo or drones used... so why are you even (incorrectly, at that) mentioning it? _______________________________
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 31/01/2008 14:36:45
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Do you dispute that Gallente get a damage bonus to EM drones when they get a bonus to all drones?
I think you're just trying to misunderstand my answer here.
EM drones are totally useless, to even suggest its usage to defend your argument is silly.. Please stop....
Thermal drones outdps EM drones even vs Sanshas.
Why dont you dissect the problem instead of a ham fisted change ? The biggest problem is Battleships vs Battleships and their omni tank...
That's the whole point, to make EM drones and EM missiles useful again.
But this change isn't going to do that. _______________________________
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Seeing such fundamentally flawed attempts at logic written by a Dev is really quite disillusioning 
Indeed. _______________________________
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil Here's the simple answer from where I'm standing.
Give Amarrian laser ships, or if you're feeling generous all Amarrian ships, a flat role bonus of say 50% cap reduction, adjustable numbers there of course. At the same time, remove the cap bonus gained by ship skills on a number of ships, like the Armageddon, Apocalypse, Harbinger, Prophecy, et cetera...
What do you replace it with? That's the fun part, you give Amarrian ships their second real bonus, and in turn increase the capabilities of the ship to make it more attractive for PvP. Already have a rate of fire bonus on a ship, consider adding a damage bonus to increase DPS and slice through that well-resisted armor faster, or if you see that as too much, perhaps a grid increase per level, or better tracking, or a better tank, whatever you can think of.
This would have an interesting side effect, namely, that ships like the Apoc might have a chance to be given a real purpose - as it stands right now, that ship has lots of capacitor, and that's about it. Replace that capacitor use bonus with say a damage bonus, or ROF bonus, and suddenly it might become a lot more seen in fleets, as it may be a competitive ship now.
Upsides to this style of a fix? Its been done before, as evidenced by the Sansha's ships, its simple to do, and focuses on buffing Amarr over indirectly nerfing all races.
I like it. _______________________________
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun The point was that missile ships (with generic dmg or rof bonuses) and drone boats (with generic drone damage bonuses) can all profit from em dmg being more useful. If you didn't understand that than maybe you should learn what "context" means?
Well that's just aces there champ...
Except this change won't make anyone use EM Drones or missiles anymore than they already are. There's still going to be better to use all around... so him trying to spin this with that to make a point is just... well... pointless.
He made it sound like Gallente and Caldari has specific bonuses to EM damage directly. His words, not mine. _______________________________
Proof that Zulupark does in fact play EVE:
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Some Gallente ships get damage bonuses to EM drones, some Caldari ships get bonuses to EM missiles
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